Profile of Prometheus in Optimism
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[DRAFT PROPOSAL]: Moving to a Grants Council
by Prometheus - No Role
Posted on: Nov. 14, 2022, 1:17 p.m.
Content: nickbtts: It’s important community members have a say, but not at the expense of protocols who have bet their future on Optimism (SNX, as an example). Interesting wording. Anyway, protocols and projects can listen to community members (aka users) or not, If community members aren’t welcome don’t expect them to stay. After all, protocols are irrelevant without users and that’s probably why many protocols/projects/teams/whatever need grants and incentives to exist.
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[DRAFT PROPOSAL]: Moving to a Grants Council
by Prometheus - No Role
Posted on: Nov. 14, 2022, 8:17 a.m.
Content:
nickbtts:
It’s important community members have a say, but not at the expense of protocols who have bet their future on Optimism (SNX, as an example).
Interesting wording. Anyway, protocols and projects can listen to community members (aka users) or not, If community members aren’t welcome don’t expect them to stay. After all, protocols are irrelevant without users and that’s probably why many protocols/projects/teams/whatever need grants and incentives to exist.
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[DRAFT PROPOSAL]: Moving to a Grants Council
by Prometheus - No Role
Posted on: Nov. 9, 2022, 11:50 a.m.
Content: lefterisjp: Providing oversight, means reading proposals and making sure the council does its work. From a theoretical standpoint this is correct, nonetheless human nature doesn’t exactly work like that. Oversight will most likely work based on how things will turn out (instead of spending as much time reading many comments and trying to understand the proposal).
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[DRAFT PROPOSAL]: Moving to a Grants Council
by Prometheus - No Role
Posted on: Nov. 9, 2022, 11:25 a.m.
Content: lefterisjp: There is considerable work involved as a delegate even if you are not in a council/committee and the governance process relies on delegates performing that work. Right now it’s done pro bono. This is wrong. I agree but unless I didn’t understand the change proposed I don’t think this matters in the future. Most of the work is to be done by the Council, delegates will just oversight (no need to spend much time reading grant proposals and so on since they will not vote on them anymore, they will only oversight). system: Non-Council delegates will no longer vote on each grant proposal. Instead, they will elect Council members and, if the Council continues in future Seasons, approve the Council budget. Throughout the Season, non-Council delegates will serve the important role of oversight on the Council and voting on other proposal types, such as protocol upgrades. I don’t completely dislike this kind of solution since it provides the relief delegates wanted but from a decentralization perspective this is bad. Anyway, I hope the best for the Grants Council since the responsibility is much higher for them. It was an interesting experiment.
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[DRAFT PROPOSAL]: Moving to a Grants Council
by Prometheus - No Role
Posted on: Nov. 9, 2022, 6:50 a.m.
Content:
lefterisjp:
Providing oversight, means reading proposals and making sure the council does its work.
From a theoretical standpoint this is correct, nonetheless human nature doesn’t exactly work like that. Oversight will most likely work based on how things will turn out (instead of spending as much time reading many comments and trying to understand the proposal).
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[DRAFT PROPOSAL]: Moving to a Grants Council
by Prometheus - No Role
Posted on: Nov. 9, 2022, 6:25 a.m.
Content:
lefterisjp:
There is considerable work involved as a delegate even if you are not in a council/committee and the governance process relies on delegates performing that work. Right now it’s done pro bono. This is wrong.
I agree but unless I didn’t understand the change proposed I don’t think this matters in the future. Most of the work is to be done by the Council, delegates will just oversight (no need to spend much time reading grant proposals and so on since they will not vote on them anymore, they will only oversight).
system:
Non-Council delegates will no longer vote on each grant proposal. Instead, they will elect Council members and, if the Council continues in future Seasons, approve the Council budget. Throughout the Season, non-Council delegates will serve the important role of oversight on the Council and voting on other proposal types, such as protocol upgrades.
I don’t completely dislike this kind of solution since it provides the relief delegates wanted but from a decentralization perspective this is bad. Anyway, I hope the best for the Grants Council since the responsibility is much higher for them. It was an interesting experiment.
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A badge for Season two committee member(s)
by Prometheus - No Role
Posted on: Nov. 4, 2022, 6:19 p.m.
Content: Thing is, if it’s a small sample ( 18 addresses as eligible criteria to claim) it doesn’t matter if you claim the badge using a different address. You somehow connect this destination with the origin (it’s a 1 : 18 relation - assuming everyone claims without using their origin, if there’s 10 claims using the origin then it becomes a 1 : 8 relation). If the eligibility criteria is broad enough (let’s say 10 k wallets) you kind of preserve your privacy (assuming the claim is done using a different destination). Meanwhile from an Identity perspective, it’s not a great idea to only use Soulbound NFTs because accounts can be compromised or lost. That’s my point, I see badges more like achievements and less like an identity tool (they shouldn’t be the only/main way but they can complement an identity). If you want to understand a bit more how Gitcoin Passport works, you should check this and this.
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A badge for Season two committee member(s)
by Prometheus - No Role
Posted on: Nov. 4, 2022, 3:32 p.m.
Content: While I like the concept (since people can “display” this badges on OS/whatever) I like it more wen the eligibility criteria is broader for privacy reasons (unless people don’t care about that, after all the eligibility list exposes the origin). From an identity perspective the best so far is Gitcoin Passport. Aggregating credentials can be great if privacy is preserved and if there’s regular validations and updates (adding more credentials and so on).
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- OPUser: Prometheus:
I like it more wen the eligibility criteria is broader for privacy reasons
Even if a wallet is connected to KYCed user ? What other criteria could be included here ?
Gitcoin passport is definitely making some move in right direction to build a digital identity in more decentralized way by connecting different pieces together.
But either by KYC based SBTs or gitcoin approach your wallet is exposed to public, they all need a zk based layer.
Take an example of Binance SBTs, once you authenticate on their platform, you get a SBT which proves that your address is verified. Binance or any app could possibly block your address by checking this SBT by its ID or with some meta-data,but here sample size is insane, in millions, and then if you build a zk base layer on top their SBT(similar to SISMO badge), you can still prove that you are a verified user by Binance and it will be impossible for anyone to target an individual user.
Both approach has some drawback, Gitcoin approach is good from regulation side and nightmare from user privacy side.
- TheDoctor: It’s a nice and refreshing idea, apart from the privacy issue, I’m sure committee members appreciate the gesture.
The identity issue is essential to prevent Sybil’s attacks. And privacy is essential too for many people. Now that I’m performing a new DAO experiment I am exploring new ways of preventing Sybil attacks without compromising the privacy of new members and I hope we all can learn about it.
Prometheus:
From an identity perspective the best so far is Gitcoin Passport
I didn’t know about this. Thanks.
OPUser:
KYC based SBTs
What is this? Something like this project: https://coinpassport.net/ ?
I like Community participation (linked to social accounts) as a fair enough approach in order to prevent a massive Sybil attack (I’ll check if the gitcoin passport goes in that direction). I like Vitalik’s idea of a new Id NFT standard that can be recovered by the community if your private key is lost or compromised (but not easy). I think at the end several secured sources may be used.
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A badge for Season two committee member(s)
by Prometheus - No Role
Posted on: Nov. 4, 2022, 2:19 p.m.
Content: Thing is, if it’s a small sample ( 18 addresses as eligible criteria to claim) it doesn’t matter if you claim the badge using a different address. You somehow connect this destination with the origin (it’s a 1 : 18 relation - assuming everyone claims without using their origin, if there’s 10 claims using the origin then it becomes a 1 : 8 relation). If the eligibility criteria is broad enough (let’s say 10 k wallets) you kind of preserve your privacy (assuming the claim is done using a different destination).
Meanwhile from an Identity perspective, it’s not a great idea to only use Soulbound NFTs because accounts can be compromised or lost. That’s my point, I see badges more like achievements and less like an identity tool (they shouldn’t be the only/main way but they can complement an identity).
If you want to understand a bit more how Gitcoin Passport works, you should check this and this.
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A badge for Season two committee member(s)
by Prometheus - No Role
Posted on: Nov. 4, 2022, 11:32 a.m.
Content: While I like the concept (since people can “display” this badges on OS/whatever) I like it more wen the eligibility criteria is broader for privacy reasons (unless people don’t care about that, after all the eligibility list exposes the origin).
From an identity perspective the best so far is Gitcoin Passport. Aggregating credentials can be great if privacy is preserved and if there’s regular validations and updates (adding more credentials and so on).
Likes: 5
Replies: 2
Replies:
- OPUser: Prometheus:
I like it more wen the eligibility criteria is broader for privacy reasons
Even if a wallet is connected to KYCed user ? What other criteria could be included here ?
Gitcoin passport is definitely making some move in right direction to build a digital identity in more decentralized way by connecting different pieces together.
But either by KYC based SBTs or gitcoin approach your wallet is exposed to public, they all need a zk based layer.
Take an example of Binance SBTs, once you authenticate on their platform, you get a SBT which proves that your address is verified. Binance or any app could possibly block your address by checking this SBT by its ID or with some meta-data,but here sample size is insane, in millions, and then if you build a zk base layer on top their SBT(similar to SISMO badge), you can still prove that you are a verified user by Binance and it will be impossible for anyone to target an individual user.
Both approach has some drawback, Gitcoin approach is good from regulation side and nightmare from user privacy side.
- TheDoctor: It’s a nice and refreshing idea, apart from the privacy issue, I’m sure committee members appreciate the gesture.
The identity issue is essential to prevent Sybil’s attacks. And privacy is essential too for many people. Now that I’m performing a new DAO experiment I am exploring new ways of preventing Sybil attacks without compromising the privacy of new members and I hope we all can learn about it.
Prometheus:
From an identity perspective the best so far is Gitcoin Passport
I didn’t know about this. Thanks.
OPUser:
KYC based SBTs
What is this? Something like this project: https://coinpassport.net/ ?
I like Community participation (linked to social accounts) as a fair enough approach in order to prevent a massive Sybil attack (I’ll check if the gitcoin passport goes in that direction). I like Vitalik’s idea of a new Id NFT standard that can be recovered by the community if your private key is lost or compromised (but not easy). I think at the end several secured sources may be used.
