Reading the proposals has been very educational and interesting. I can’t really find any evaluation criteria, so I am curious how you all plan to evaluate proposals.
The OPerating Manual suggests that distributions “proactively incentivize future growth of projects and communities” which is pretty broad. The standard template questions narrow this down much further by specifically asking proposers to explain how their proposal will “incentivize usage and liquidity on Optimism”.
I would plan to vote yes on proposals that can show a clear causal relationship between the OP token distribution and it’s impact on incentivizing usage and liquidity on Optimism. Good examples would be: bridges subsidizing gas to bridge to optimism; LP incentives; usage incentives generally; and I am particularly drawn to marketing activities to reach new users. I think it is OK to have a small percentage of tokens allocated to the core team/devs, security or even retroactive rewards for users of protocols that are native to Optimism. But the percentage should be small. It’s not that I think that those groups/activities should not be supported – they obviously should. However, I don’t think Phase 1 is the right fund to use for that purpose.
What evaluation criteria does everyone else plan to use?
The writer found reading proposals educational and interesting, while expressing curiosity about the evaluation criteria for proposals. They mention that the Operating Manual implies distributions should promote growth and suggest a focus on incentivizing usage and liquidity. The writer plans to vote for proposals that demonstrate how the OP token distribution will incentivize activity on Optimism. Examples of effective proposals include gas subsidies, LP incentives, usage incentives, and marketing to attract new users. They are open to allocating a small percentage of tokens to core team, security, or retroactive rewards but believe Phase 1 funding may not be suitable for these purposes. The writer seeks insights into the evaluation criteria others plan to use for proposals.
Reading the proposals has been very educational and interesting. I can’t really find any evaluatio…
Reading the proposals has been very educational and interesting. I can’t really find any evaluation criteria, so I am curious how you all plan to evaluate proposals. The OPerating Manual suggests that distributions “proactively incentivize future growth of projects and communities” which is pretty broad. The standard template questions narrow this down much further by specifically asking proposers to explain how their proposal will “incentivize usage and liquidity on Optimism”. I would plan to vote yes on proposals that can show a clear causal relationship between the OP token distribution and it’s impact on incentivizing usage and liquidity on Optimism. Good examples would be: bridges subsidizing gas to bridge to optimism; LP incentives; usage incentives generally; and I am particularly drawn to marketing activities to reach new users. I think it is OK to have a small percentage of tokens allocated to the core team/devs, security or even retroactive rewards for users of protocols that are native to Optimism. But the percentage should be small. It’s not that I think that those groups/activities should not be supported – they obviously should. However, I don’t think Phase 1 is the right fund to use for that purpose. What evaluation criteria does everyone else plan to use?
Hi Justin, I was also wondering the same thing previously and found the following guidance, which h…
Hi Justin, I was also wondering the same thing previously and found the following guidance, which helped me assess which projects met the Optimistic Vision.
Governance is intended to be carried out in line with the Working Constitution , and pursuit of the Optimistic Vision .
The Optimism Vision will dispel the myth that public goods cannot be profitable. Optimism will consistently provide massive retroactive incentives for public goods which benefit Optimism, Ethereum, and the Collective as a whole.
Hi Justin, I was also wondering the same thing previously and found the following guidance, which h…
Hi Justin, I was also wondering the same thing previously and found the following guidance, which helped me assess which projects met the Optimistic Vision.
Governance is intended to be carried out in line with the Working Constitution 4 , and pursuit of the Optimistic Vision 5 .
The Optimism Vision will dispel the myth that public goods cannot be profitable. Optimism will consistently provide massive retroactive 5 incentives for public goods which benefit Optimism, Ethereum, and the Collective as a whole.
Great contribution, @Takeshi_Kovacs, to centre or focus some of the decision making.
That final lin…
Great contribution, @Takeshi_Kovacs, to centre or focus some of the decision making.
That final link, the Medium article, really hit the spot for me. Although all three references are very important.
Hi Justin, I was also wondering the same thing previously and found the following guidance, which h…
Hi Justin, I was also wondering the same thing previously and found the following guidance, which helped me assess which projects met the Optimistic Vision. Governance is intended to be carried out in line with the Working Constitution 3 , and pursuit of the Optimistic Vision 4 . The Optimism Vision will dispel the myth that public goods cannot be profitable. Optimism will consistently provide massive retroactive 5 incentives for public goods which benefit Optimism, Ethereum, and the Collective as a whole.
Great contribution, @Takeshi_Kovacs, to centre or focus some of the decision making. That final lin…
Great contribution, @Takeshi_Kovacs, to centre or focus some of the decision making. That final link, the Medium article, really hit the spot for me. Although all three references are very important.
Thank you for creating this thread, this might help us combine ideas on what a good proposal should…
Thank you for creating this thread, this might help us combine ideas on what a good proposal should contains.
Its difficult to say what a good proposal should look like as its project dependent, we can not treat a NFT based based project to defi project which will be totally different from an infra project. Approach I am taking is, discarding project focusing on forced or artificial TVL and making the good or even a debatable proposal more visible so that it can reach wider audience and is why I provided my support to few projects in last 2 days.
Now few things that I am looking for in a proposal:
Duration of token distribution
Who is the target audience(user / dev /app integration )
Willingness to provide report/data on how the reward was distributed either monthly/quarterly. I dont care if OP team will read them or not but If I am voting “yes” for a project, I will read those report and see where the funds are being used.
Will this proposal boost TVL and/or on-chain activities in an sustainable way?
I am considering Phase 1 is little relaxed in terms of goal, Phase 0 was focused more on TVL, but this can go beyond that as long as its supporting OP ecosystem.
Looking for inputs and suggestions.
Edit 1 :- On point 3 , as pointed out by @InfinityWallet here 5 , this does seems to involve some privacy concern, which somehow I overlooked. Until we find a better approach without compromising the privacy, I will remove this from evaluation criteria.
Justin: What do you think is an ideal length of time for token distribution? Your #3 is interesting because the proposals contain very little about accountability or reporting.
Axel_T: Hi @OPUser and @Justin good to say hello again to you both
Noticed that you, OPUser, said,
OPUser:
Willingness to provide report/data on how the reward was distributed either monthly/quarterly. I dont care if OP team will read them or not but If I am voting “yes” for a project, I will read those report and see where the funds are being used.
and you, Justin, said,
Justin:
Your #3 is interesting because the proposals contain very little about accountability or reporting.
Now, if only there was a Proposal who wanted to create a decentralised platform to publish these type of (accounting, yes they’re accounting!) reports!
But cheekiness aside, in case my proposal is unsuccessful, I’ll give you both a quick accounting lesson as a parting gift:
The Three (3) Functions of Accounting (why the field exists & has value), are:
1) For ‘Decision-Making’
i.e. If both internal and external stakeholders (think, as an example, OP delegates) can have access to accounting information (aka reports/financial reports/financial statements/management reports) that can allow for better decision making (e.g. an OP delegate can review & analyse periodic financial reports to decide if they want to vote ‘For’ a Proposal and commit scare resources like OP).
2) For ‘Contracting’
i.e. Accounting Information (or more easily understood: hard numbers/constants in a report) is a very effective way to bind, via a contract, both internal parties (e.g. within an employee’s employment contract they can receive a bonus if they reach a sales target) and external parties (e.g. two external parties of a multi-sig wallet refusing to release locked up OP, if the internal project liquidates more than 100,000 agreed limit of its OP over a 3-month period).
3) For ‘Stewardship’
i.e. Accounting information (think: reports of financial and non-financial data) can be used as an effective method to communicate how assets or resources are being managed. Using accounting information to record the management or stewardship of resources is useful over long distances, or in short or misaligned time frames, and/or as a common language. The stewardship function dates back many centuries to the times of kings and queens and kingdoms and estates (or religious institutions), where a king/queen/cardinal could monitor their realm and how their resources were being utilised by all their lords/proxies over the vast and often treacherous kingdom/church. That is, lords/ladies would send the king/queen physically small-sized, accounting reports of how their section of the realm was functioning, and financial numbers and other constants were effective communication mediums (e.g. “1000 sheep in the field, 2 chests of gold, and a standing army of 100 in this sector of the realm, your majesty. And each have increased by 100% since my last report to you last spring, my liege.”)
Okay, well I carried on a bit with Number (3) there a bit, but just remember the key reasons why accounting and accountants exist are: For decision-making, for contracting, and for stewardship.
Class dismissed
Could the Optimism Collective or OP Delegates benefit from specialised, but rather easily understood, information to help decision-making, contracting and stewardship?
Have a good day or good night guys, I’m off to bed.
Cheers,
Axel
dogstartaylor: Thanks a lot OPUser for evaluation criteria ideas. I’m glad to see we are all on the same page with accountability. I think we need some type of mile stones for these projects. Example: 100,000 active users confirmed thru some type of oracle like LINK or Graph and X amount of OP would be released. A DAPP with X amount of daily transactions and X OP is released. It’s a lot of hard coding that I can not do, but it is a concept that that can be written in the contract of the proposal and executed on chain/
Thank you for creating this thread, this might help us combine ideas on what a good proposal should…
Thank you for creating this thread, this might help us combine ideas on what a good proposal should contains.
Its difficult to say what a good proposal should look like as its project dependent, we can not treat a NFT based based project to defi project which will be totally different from an infra project. Approach I am taking is, discarding project focusing on forced or artificial TVL and making the good or even a debatable proposal more visible so that it can reach wider audience and is why I provided my support to few projects in last 2 days.
Now few things that I am looking for in a proposal:
Duration of token distribution
Who is the target audience(user / dev /app integration )
Willingness to provide report/data on how the reward was distributed either monthly/quarterly. I dont care if OP team will read them or not but If I am voting “yes” for a project, I will read those report and see where the funds are being used.
Will this proposal boost TVL and/or on-chain activities in an sustainable way?
I am considering Phase 1 is little relaxed in terms of goal, Phase 0 was focused more on TVL, but this can go beyond that as long as its supporting OP ecosystem.
Looking for inputs and suggestions.
Edit 1 :- On point 3 , as pointed out by @InfinityWallet here, this does seems to involve some privacy concern, which somehow I overlooked. Until we find a better approach without compromising the privacy, I will remove this from evaluation criteria.
Justin: What do you think is an ideal length of time for token distribution? Your #3 is interesting because the proposals contain very little about accountability or reporting.
Axel_T: Hi @OPUser and @Justin good to say hello again to you both
Noticed that you, OPUser, said,
OPUser:
Willingness to provide report/data on how the reward was distributed either monthly/quarterly. I dont care if OP team will read them or not but If I am voting “yes” for a project, I will read those report and see where the funds are being used.
and you, Justin, said,
Justin:
Your #3 is interesting because the proposals contain very little about accountability or reporting.
Now, if only there was a Proposal who wanted to create a decentralised platform to publish these type of (accounting, yes they’re accounting!) reports!
But cheekiness aside, in case my proposal is unsuccessful, I’ll give you both a quick accounting lesson as a parting gift:
The Three (3) Functions of Accounting (why the field exists & has value), are:
1) For ‘Decision-Making’
i.e. If both internal and external stakeholders (think, as an example, OP delegates) can have access to accounting information (aka reports/financial reports/financial statements/management reports) that can allow for better decision making (e.g. an OP delegate can review & analyse periodic financial reports to decide if they want to vote ‘For’ a Proposal and commit scare resources like OP).
2) For ‘Contracting’
i.e. Accounting Information (or more easily understood: hard numbers/constants in a report) is a very effective way to bind, via a contract, both internal parties (e.g. within an employee’s employment contract they can receive a bonus if they reach a sales target) and external parties (e.g. two external parties of a multi-sig wallet refusing to release locked up OP, if the internal project liquidates more than 100,000 agreed limit of its OP over a 3-month period).
3) For ‘Stewardship’
i.e. Accounting information (think: reports of financial and non-financial data) can be used as an effective method to communicate how assets or resources are being managed. Using accounting information to record the management or stewardship of resources is useful over long distances, or in short or misaligned time frames, and/or as a common language. The stewardship function dates back many centuries to the times of kings and queens and kingdoms and estates (or religious institutions), where a king/queen/cardinal could monitor their realm and how their resources were being utilised by all their lords/proxies over the vast and often treacherous kingdom/church. That is, lords/ladies would send the king/queen physically small-sized, accounting reports of how their section of the realm was functioning, and financial numbers and other constants were effective communication mediums (e.g. “1000 sheep in the field, 2 chests of gold, and a standing army of 100 in this sector of the realm, your majesty. And each have increased by 100% since my last report to you last spring, my liege.”)
Okay, well I carried on a bit with Number (3) there a bit, but just remember the key reasons why accounting and accountants exist are: For decision-making, for contracting, and for stewardship.
Class dismissed
Could the Optimism Collective or OP Delegates benefit from specialised, but rather easily understood, information to help decision-making, contracting and stewardship?
Have a good day or good night guys, I’m off to bed.
Cheers,
Axel
dogstartaylor: Thanks a lot OPUser for evaluation criteria ideas. I’m glad to see we are all on the same page with accountability. I think we need some type of mile stones for these projects. Example: 100,000 active users confirmed thru some type of oracle like LINK or Graph and X amount of OP would be released. A DAPP with X amount of daily transactions and X OP is released. It’s a lot of hard coding that I can not do, but it is a concept that that can be written in the contract of the proposal and executed on chain/
Thank you for creating this thread, this might help us combine ideas on what a good proposal should…
Thank you for creating this thread, this might help us combine ideas on what a good proposal should contains. Its difficult to say what a good proposal should look like as its project dependent, we can not treat a NFT based based project to defi project which will be totally different from an infra project. Approach I am taking is, discarding project focusing on forced or artificial TVL and making the good or even a debatable proposal more visible so that it can reach wider audience and is why I provided my support to few projects in last 2 days. Now few things that I am looking for in a proposal: Duration of token distribution Who is the target audience(user / dev /app integration ) Willingness to provide report/data on how the reward was distributed either monthly/quarterly. I dont care if OP team will read them or not but If I am voting “yes” for a project, I will read those report and see where the funds are being used. Will this proposal boost TVL and/or on-chain activities in an sustainable way? I am considering Phase 1 is little relaxed in terms of goal, Phase 0 was focused more on TVL, but this can go beyond that as long as its supporting OP ecosystem. Looking for inputs and suggestions. Edit 1 :- On point 3 , as pointed out by @InfinityWallet here 5 , this does seems to involve some privacy concern, which somehow I overlooked. Until we find a better approach without compromising the privacy, I will remove this from evaluation criteria.
Justin: What do you think is an ideal length of time for token distribution? Your #3 is interesting because the proposals contain very little about accountability or reporting.
Axel_T: Hi @OPUser and @Justin good to say hello again to you both
Noticed that you, OPUser, said,
OPUser:
Willingness to provide report/data on how the reward was distributed either monthly/quarterly. I dont care if OP team will read them or not but If I am voting “yes” for a project, I will read those report and see where the funds are being used.
and you, Justin, said,
Justin:
Your #3 is interesting because the proposals contain very little about accountability or reporting.
Now, if only there was a Proposal who wanted to create a decentralised platform to publish these type of (accounting, yes they’re accounting!) reports!
But cheekiness aside, in case my proposal is unsuccessful, I’ll give you both a quick accounting lesson as a parting gift:
The Three (3) Functions of Accounting (why the field exists & has value), are:
1) For ‘Decision-Making’
i.e. If both internal and external stakeholders (think, as an example, OP delegates) can have access to accounting information (aka reports/financial reports/financial statements/management reports) that can allow for better decision making (e.g. an OP delegate can review & analyse periodic financial reports to decide if they want to vote ‘For’ a Proposal and commit scare resources like OP).
2) For ‘Contracting’
i.e. Accounting Information (or more easily understood: hard numbers/constants in a report) is a very effective way to bind, via a contract, both internal parties (e.g. within an employee’s employment contract they can receive a bonus if they reach a sales target) and external parties (e.g. two external parties of a multi-sig wallet refusing to release locked up OP, if the internal project liquidates more than 100,000 agreed limit of its OP over a 3-month period).
3) For ‘Stewardship’
i.e. Accounting information (think: reports of financial and non-financial data) can be used as an effective method to communicate how assets or resources are being managed. Using accounting information to record the management or stewardship of resources is useful over long distances, or in short or misaligned time frames, and/or as a common language. The stewardship function dates back many centuries to the times of kings and queens and kingdoms and estates (or religious institutions), where a king/queen/cardinal could monitor their realm and how their resources were being utilised by all their lords/proxies over the vast and often treacherous kingdom/church. That is, lords/ladies would send the king/queen physically small-sized, accounting reports of how their section of the realm was functioning, and financial numbers and other constants were effective communication mediums (e.g. “1000 sheep in the field, 2 chests of gold, and a standing army of 100 in this sector of the realm, your majesty. And each have increased by 100% since my last report to you last spring, my liege.”)
Okay, well I carried on a bit with Number (3) there a bit, but just remember the key reasons why accounting and accountants exist are: For decision-making, for contracting, and for stewardship.
Class dismissed
Could the Optimism Collective or OP Delegates benefit from specialised, but rather easily understood, information to help decision-making, contracting and stewardship?
Have a good day or good night guys, I’m off to bed.
Cheers,
Axel
dogstartaylor: Thanks a lot OPUser for evaluation criteria ideas. I’m glad to see we are all on the same page with accountability. I think we need some type of mile stones for these projects. Example: 100,000 active users confirmed thru some type of oracle like LINK or Graph and X amount of OP would be released. A DAPP with X amount of daily transactions and X OP is released. It’s a lot of hard coding that I can not do, but it is a concept that that can be written in the contract of the proposal and executed on chain/
What do you think is an ideal length of time for token distribution? Your # 3 is interesting beca…
What do you think is an ideal length of time for token distribution? Your # 3 is interesting because the proposals contain very little about accountability or reporting.
OPUser: on token distribution length, If I can see that the incentives are paid monthly then it should not be more than 6 month and in other case, it can be vary from 3 months to 1 year.
Axel_T: Hi @OPUser and @Justin good to say hello again to you both
Noticed that you, OPUser, said,
OPUser:
Willingness to provide report/data on how the reward was distributed either monthly/quarterly. I dont care if OP team will read them or not but If I am voting “yes” for a project, I will read those report and see where the funds are being used.
and you, Justin, said,
Justin:
Your #3 is interesting because the proposals contain very little about accountability or reporting.
Now, if only there was a Proposal who wanted to create a decentralised platform to publish these type of (accounting, yes they’re accounting!) reports!
But cheekiness aside, in case my proposal is unsuccessful, I’ll give you both a quick accounting lesson as a parting gift:
The Three (3) Functions of Accounting (why the field exists & has value), are:
1) For ‘Decision-Making’
i.e. If both internal and external stakeholders (think, as an example, OP delegates) can have access to accounting information (aka reports/financial reports/financial statements/management reports) that can allow for better decision making (e.g. an OP delegate can review & analyse periodic financial reports to decide if they want to vote ‘For’ a Proposal and commit scare resources like OP).
2) For ‘Contracting’
i.e. Accounting Information (or more easily understood: hard numbers/constants in a report) is a very effective way to bind, via a contract, both internal parties (e.g. within an employee’s employment contract they can receive a bonus if they reach a sales target) and external parties (e.g. two external parties of a multi-sig wallet refusing to release locked up OP, if the internal project liquidates more than 100,000 agreed limit of its OP over a 3-month period).
3) For ‘Stewardship’
i.e. Accounting information (think: reports of financial and non-financial data) can be used as an effective method to communicate how assets or resources are being managed. Using accounting information to record the management or stewardship of resources is useful over long distances, or in short or misaligned time frames, and/or as a common language. The stewardship function dates back many centuries to the times of kings and queens and kingdoms and estates (or religious institutions), where a king/queen/cardinal could monitor their realm and how their resources were being utilised by all their lords/proxies over the vast and often treacherous kingdom/church. That is, lords/ladies would send the king/queen physically small-sized, accounting reports of how their section of the realm was functioning, and financial numbers and other constants were effective communication mediums (e.g. “1000 sheep in the field, 2 chests of gold, and a standing army of 100 in this sector of the realm, your majesty. And each have increased by 100% since my last report to you last spring, my liege.”)
Okay, well I carried on a bit with Number (3) there a bit, but just remember the key reasons why accounting and accountants exist are: For decision-making, for contracting, and for stewardship.
Class dismissed
Could the Optimism Collective or OP Delegates benefit from specialised, but rather easily understood, information to help decision-making, contracting and stewardship?
Have a good day or good night guys, I’m off to bed.
Cheers,
Axel
on token distribution length, If I can see that the incentives are paid monthly then it should not …
on token distribution length, If I can see that the incentives are paid monthly then it should not be more than 6 month and in other case, it can be vary from 3 months to 1 year.
What do you think is an ideal length of time for token distribution? Your # 3 is interesting beca…
What do you think is an ideal length of time for token distribution? Your # 3 is interesting because the proposals contain very little about accountability or reporting.
OPUser: on token distribution length, If I can see that the incentives are paid monthly then it should not be more than 6 month and in other case, it can be vary from 3 months to 1 year.
Axel_T: Hi @OPUser and @Justin good to say hello again to you both
Noticed that you, OPUser, said,
OPUser:
Willingness to provide report/data on how the reward was distributed either monthly/quarterly. I dont care if OP team will read them or not but If I am voting “yes” for a project, I will read those report and see where the funds are being used.
and you, Justin, said,
Justin:
Your #3 is interesting because the proposals contain very little about accountability or reporting.
Now, if only there was a Proposal who wanted to create a decentralised platform to publish these type of (accounting, yes they’re accounting!) reports!
But cheekiness aside, in case my proposal is unsuccessful, I’ll give you both a quick accounting lesson as a parting gift:
The Three (3) Functions of Accounting (why the field exists & has value), are:
1) For ‘Decision-Making’
i.e. If both internal and external stakeholders (think, as an example, OP delegates) can have access to accounting information (aka reports/financial reports/financial statements/management reports) that can allow for better decision making (e.g. an OP delegate can review & analyse periodic financial reports to decide if they want to vote ‘For’ a Proposal and commit scare resources like OP).
2) For ‘Contracting’
i.e. Accounting Information (or more easily understood: hard numbers/constants in a report) is a very effective way to bind, via a contract, both internal parties (e.g. within an employee’s employment contract they can receive a bonus if they reach a sales target) and external parties (e.g. two external parties of a multi-sig wallet refusing to release locked up OP, if the internal project liquidates more than 100,000 agreed limit of its OP over a 3-month period).
3) For ‘Stewardship’
i.e. Accounting information (think: reports of financial and non-financial data) can be used as an effective method to communicate how assets or resources are being managed. Using accounting information to record the management or stewardship of resources is useful over long distances, or in short or misaligned time frames, and/or as a common language. The stewardship function dates back many centuries to the times of kings and queens and kingdoms and estates (or religious institutions), where a king/queen/cardinal could monitor their realm and how their resources were being utilised by all their lords/proxies over the vast and often treacherous kingdom/church. That is, lords/ladies would send the king/queen physically small-sized, accounting reports of how their section of the realm was functioning, and financial numbers and other constants were effective communication mediums (e.g. “1000 sheep in the field, 2 chests of gold, and a standing army of 100 in this sector of the realm, your majesty. And each have increased by 100% since my last report to you last spring, my liege.”)
Okay, well I carried on a bit with Number (3) there a bit, but just remember the key reasons why accounting and accountants exist are: For decision-making, for contracting, and for stewardship.
Class dismissed
Could the Optimism Collective or OP Delegates benefit from specialised, but rather easily understood, information to help decision-making, contracting and stewardship?
Have a good day or good night guys, I’m off to bed.
Cheers,
Axel
on token distribution length, If I can see that the incentives are paid monthly then it should not …
on token distribution length, If I can see that the incentives are paid monthly then it should not be more than 6 month and in other case, it can be vary from 3 months to 1 year.
Hi @OPUser and @Justin good to say hello again to you both :slightly_smiling_face:
Noticed that you…
Hi @OPUser and @Justin good to say hello again to you both :slightly_smiling_face:
Noticed that you, OPUser, said,
OPUser:
Willingness to provide report/data on how the reward was distributed either monthly/quarterly. I dont care if OP team will read them or not but If I am voting “yes” for a project, I will read those report and see where the funds are being used.
and you, Justin, said,
Justin:
Your # 3 is interesting because the proposals contain very little about accountability or reporting.
Now, if only there was a Proposal who wanted to create a decentralised platform to publish these type of (accounting, yes they’re accounting!) reports! :upside_down_face:
But cheekiness aside, in case my proposal is unsuccessful, I’ll give you both a quick accounting lesson as a parting gift:
The Three ( 3 ) Functions of Accounting (why the field exists & has value), are:
1 ) For ‘Decision-Making’
i.e. If both internal and external stakeholders (think, as an example, OP delegates) can have access to accounting information (aka reports/financial reports/financial statements/management reports) that can allow for better decision making (e.g. an OP delegate can review & analyse periodic financial reports to decide if they want to vote ‘For’ a Proposal and commit scare resources like OP).
2 ) For ‘Contracting’
i.e. Accounting Information (or more easily understood: hard numbers/constants in a report) is a very effective way to bind, via a contract, both internal parties (e.g. within an employee’s employment contract they can receive a bonus if they reach a sales target) and external parties (e.g. two external parties of a multi-sig wallet refusing to release locked up OP, if the internal project liquidates more than 100 , 000 agreed limit of its OP over a 3 -month period).
3 ) For ‘Stewardship’
i.e. Accounting information (think: reports of financial and non-financial data) can be used as an effective method to communicate how assets or resources are being managed. Using accounting information to record the management or stewardship of resources is useful over long distances, or in short or misaligned time frames, and/or as a common language. The stewardship function dates back many centuries to the times of kings and queens and kingdoms and estates (or religious institutions), where a king/queen/cardinal could monitor their realm and how their resources were being utilised by all their lords/proxies over the vast and often treacherous kingdom/church. That is, lords/ladies would send the king/queen physically small-sized, accounting reports of how their section of the realm was functioning, and financial numbers and other constants were effective communication mediums (e.g. “ 1000 sheep in the field, 2 chests of gold, and a standing army of 100 in this sector of the realm, your majesty. And each have increased by 100 % since my last report to you last spring, my liege.”)
Okay, well I carried on a bit with Number ( 3 ) there a bit, but just remember the key reasons why accounting and accountants exist are: For decision-making, for contracting, and for stewardship.
Class dismissed :heart:
Could the Optimism Collective or OP Delegates benefit from specialised, but rather easily understood, information to help decision-making, contracting and stewardship?
Have a good day or good night guys, I’m off to bed.
Cheers,
Axel
Hi @OPUser and @Justin good to say hello again to you both :slightly_smiling_face: Noticed that you…
Hi @OPUser and @Justin good to say hello again to you both :slightly_smiling_face: Noticed that you, OPUser, said, OPUser: Willingness to provide report/data on how the reward was distributed either monthly/quarterly. I dont care if OP team will read them or not but If I am voting “yes” for a project, I will read those report and see where the funds are being used. and you, Justin, said, Justin: Your # 3 is interesting because the proposals contain very little about accountability or reporting. Now, if only there was a Proposal who wanted to create a decentralised platform to publish these type of (accounting, yes they’re accounting!) reports! :upside_down_face: But cheekiness aside, in case my proposal is unsuccessful, I’ll give you both a quick accounting lesson as a parting gift: The Three ( 3 ) Functions of Accounting (why the field exists & has value), are: 1 ) For ‘Decision-Making’ i.e. If both internal and external stakeholders (think, as an example, OP delegates) can have access to accounting information (aka reports/financial reports/financial statements/management reports) that can allow for better decision making (e.g. an OP delegate can review & analyse periodic financial reports to decide if they want to vote ‘For’ a Proposal and commit scare resources like OP). 2 ) For ‘Contracting’ i.e. Accounting Information (or more easily understood: hard numbers/constants in a report) is a very effective way to bind, via a contract, both internal parties (e.g. within an employee’s employment contract they can receive a bonus if they reach a sales target) and external parties (e.g. two external parties of a multi-sig wallet refusing to release locked up OP, if the internal project liquidates more than 100 , 000 agreed limit of its OP over a 3 -month period). 3 ) For ‘Stewardship’ i.e. Accounting information (think: reports of financial and non-financial data) can be used as an effective method to communicate how assets or resources are being managed. Using accounting information to record the management or stewardship of resources is useful over long distances, or in short or misaligned time frames, and/or as a common language. The stewardship function dates back many centuries to the times of kings and queens and kingdoms and estates (or religious institutions), where a king/queen/cardinal could monitor their realm and how their resources were being utilised by all their lords/proxies over the vast and often treacherous kingdom/church. That is, lords/ladies would send the king/queen physically small-sized, accounting reports of how their section of the realm was functioning, and financial numbers and other constants were effective communication mediums (e.g. “ 1000 sheep in the field, 2 chests of gold, and a standing army of 100 in this sector of the realm, your majesty. And each have increased by 100 % since my last report to you last spring, my liege.”) Okay, well I carried on a bit with Number ( 3 ) there a bit, but just remember the key reasons why accounting and accountants exist are: For decision-making, for contracting, and for stewardship. Class dismissed :heart: Could the Optimism Collective or OP Delegates benefit from specialised, but rather easily understood, information to help decision-making, contracting and stewardship? Have a good day or good night guys, I’m off to bed. Cheers, Axel
Thank you for putting this thread together @Justin. @OPUser is right, this thread is a good way to …
Thank you for putting this thread together @Justin. @OPUser is right, this thread is a good way to figure the evaluation process out.
But I think this thread should also outline what we don’t want to see.
For example I’ve also noticed some of the Proposals in Phase 1 are being submitted by delegates themselves!
This is not a good look. It gives the impression that delegates can approve their own proposals to claim funds.
I think it would be better for delegates who put a proposal in for a vote must abstain from all votes in that phase, to prevent any real or perceived conflicts of interest.
Thank you for putting this thread together @Justin. @OPUser is right, this thread is a good way to …
Thank you for putting this thread together @Justin. @OPUser is right, this thread is a good way to figure the evaluation process out. But I think this thread should also outline what we don’t want to see. For example I’ve also noticed some of the Proposals in Phase 1 are being submitted by delegates themselves! This is not a good look. It gives the impression that delegates can approve their own proposals to claim funds. I think it would be better for delegates who put a proposal in for a vote must abstain from all votes in that phase, to prevent any real or perceived conflicts of interest.
Thanks a lot OPUser for evaluation criteria ideas. I’m glad to see we are all on the same page with…
Thanks a lot OPUser for evaluation criteria ideas. I’m glad to see we are all on the same page with accountability. I think we need some type of mile stones for these projects. Example: 100 , 000 active users confirmed thru some type of oracle like LINK or Graph and X amount of OP would be released. A DAPP with X amount of daily transactions and X OP is released. It’s a lot of hard coding that I can not do, but it is a concept that that can be written in the contract of the proposal and executed on chain/
Thanks a lot OPUser for evaluation criteria ideas. I’m glad to see we are all on the same page with…
Thanks a lot OPUser for evaluation criteria ideas. I’m glad to see we are all on the same page with accountability. I think we need some type of mile stones for these projects. Example: 100 , 000 active users confirmed thru some type of oracle like LINK or Graph and X amount of OP would be released. A DAPP with X amount of daily transactions and X OP is released. It’s a lot of hard coding that I can not do, but it is a concept that that can be written in the contract of the proposal and executed on chain/
